The Joe Rogan Experience Episode 947 with Ron Miscavige

Episode Number: 947
Episode Guest: Ron Miscavige
Original Airdate: April 18, 2017
Episode Sponsors: LegalZoom, Onnit,, Caveman Coffee

Guest Bio: Ron Miscavige is the father of the Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige and former member for over 40 years. His book Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me is available now.

Topics Discussed: Ron’s book Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me; Joe got an email from Scientology about Ron and reads it aloud; Ron talks about Scientologists following him; Ron’s relationship with his son David; Scientology monitored his communication between himself and his son; how Scientology was in the 1970s; Joe bought the Dianetics book; components of Scientology are useful; discovering the holes in Scientology’s beliefs; remote viewing; Thetans; going from the Marines to Scientology; Holiday Magic pyramid scheme; David had bad asthma when he was younger and received shots of adrenaline; Ron says Scientology communication cured David’s asthma; this led Ron to bring his whole family into Scientology and move to England; Ron never met L. Ron Hubbard; Ron explains Sea Org; Scientology is expanding its real estate empire, but not the amount of members in the church; Ron talks about joining the Marines and compares it to David joining Scientology; more Sea Org talk; Ron thinks that power corrupted David; what led Ron to become disconnected from David; Scientology’s tax exempt status; Ron had to call his son “Sir”; talk about how sheltered his life was living as a Scientologist; Mission Earth book; Ron worked on albums with Edgar Winter and Issac Hayes; what kind of work he would do for Scientology; L. Ron Hubbard’s birthday parties and other Scientology events; does Ron feel responsible for bringing his son into Scientology; Ron talks about his relationships with his children; people who leave Scientology are called suppressive people; L. Ron Hubbard wrote more books than anyone in history; Scientologists aren’t stupid; the internet exposed Scientologists; there’s only 20,000 Scientologists today; David gave Ron a Kindle but Scientology guards tried to take it away; David bypassed the Scientology internet filter by using his Kindle; L. Ron Hubbard wasn’t a war hero; Scientology lied about someone being healthy when they were dead; being punished by Scientology; Ron ran the music department of Scientology; Sea Org pays $30/week; how people were being treated led him to leave Scientology; if Scientology was effective, he would have stayed; what the people who surround David are like; Ron thinks David went down the wrong path; (1:00:00) Scientology doesn’t believe in family; do Scientologists really believe in it; Ron explains knowledge reports; Scientology interrogation; Scientology treats those who question the church like prisoners; signing contracts and leaving the church; Ron had to plan his escape from the church; working with the new music director of Scientology; talk about finally leaving the church to live with his wife’s mother; Scientologists came and found him to bring him back; why does Scientology care if someone leaves; Ron hasn’t talked to David since he left; does Ron feel like he fucked up his life and/or feel responsible for what happened to David; talk about fair game policy; once you leave Scientology, they try to destroy your reputation; why he wrote his book; he wants Scientology to drop their disconnect policy that demands Scientologists separate from their family members who aren’t Scientologists; he wouldn’t have joined Scientology if he could go back; Scientology doesn’t get many new members now because of the internet; L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology to help himself; Ron would talk to David if he wanted to talk to him; power is like a drug; Scientology has a lot of wealthy members, which is how it can continue to buy real estate; Scientology medal of valor; Live Die Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow movie; Tom Cruise talk; Joe thought Scientology was motivational, kind of like Anthony Robbins; Tom Cruise wouldn’t do anything to cross David; saluting other Scientologists; more talk about celebrities and Scientology; how Ron and Joe met Leah Remini; David doesn’t think he’ll talk to his son again.

My Thoughts: Ron gives long rambling answers. Sticks to talk about Scientology.

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