The Joe Rogan Experience Episode 649 with Jonathan Gottschall

Episode Number: 649
Episode Guest: Jonathan Gottschall
Original Airdate: May 18, 2015
Episode Sponsors: Squarespace,, MeUndies, Onnit

Guest Bio: Jonathan Gottschall is an American literary scholar specializing in literature and evolution. He teaches at Washington and Jefferson College in Pennsylvania and his latest book, The Professor in the Cage, is available now.

Topics Discussed: Why he wrote the book; training is not violence; first time watching UFC; holes in Karate; Taekwondo; going to the ground; the first UFC; Joe’s training history; Vitor Belfort; sparring; American Kickboxing Academy; MMA training compared to other sports; gym pecking order; hard sparring; stopping training; doing yoga; difficulty of yoga; Anthony Bourdain training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu at almost 60 years of age; time for body maintenance; teaching English; reaction from his peers; committing career suicide; bad review of his book; MMA is the hardest sport on the body and mind; would a fight in the Octagon ever make Joe quit commentating; Joe’s favorite fighters; Lyoto Machia; Lyoto Machida vs. Luke Rockhold fight; making MMA safer; MMA gloves; hand and wrist wraps; bare knuckle fighting; kicks; no gloves are safer than bare hands; grabbing gloves and shorts; Bellator gloves; eye pokes; Michael Bisping’s eye injury; Luke Rockhold; weight cutting; bad weight cuts; Renan Barao’s bad weight cut; fighters panicking before fights; fighting injured; knee injuries; size of football players; Jon Jones’ problems in his personal life; relationship of Cus D’Amato and Mike Tyson; Georges St-Pierre vs. Matt Serra; anxiety of fighting; Jon’s weight and weight cut; dehydrating; IV for rehydrating after weight cut; importance of getting water to the brain after weight cut; Nigel Benn vs. Gerald McClellan fight; easing hydration; changing MMA rules; Keith Hackney vs. Emmanuel Yarborough; fighting bare-knuckle; open-hand punches and slaps; Bas Rutten in Pancrase; Bas Rutten’s injuries; fighting now compared to then; is the UFC a monopoly; Viacom and Bellator; stagnation of MMA; downsides of fighting in a cage; ways that fighting in a ring is better; fence grabs; eye pokes; reaction from Jon’s peers; masculinity; ritual combat; wanting a challenge; the best martial artists ever are alive today; Jon Jones’ difficult UFC fights; Mayweather’s fighting style; Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight; is boxing boring; GGG (Gennady Gennadyevich Golovkin); Eastern European fighters; Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Donald Cerrone; Donald “Cowboy” Cerrone; bull riders; riding a mechanical bull; New Yorker article on bull riding; bull fighting; steak comes from a neutered bull; moose; Sebastian Junger; negative repercussions from Jon’s fight; reasons for taking fight; experience of fighting for the first time; fear; focus; how the fight went; complexity of yoga and BJJ; flexibility; speed; Uriah Hall; becoming more flexible; the body doesn’t want to change; drug tests; Chael Sonnen; being surprised by which fighters fail drug tests; Randy Couture; Pride FC fighters and steroids; Wanderlei Silva lifetime ban for steroid use; Nevada State Athletic Commission’s new drug test policy; Joe learns Wanderlei Silva’s lifetime ban had been overturned; Chute Box; cardio; work ethic; Neil Magny; what Jon takes from this experience; feeling like a pussy; bullies.

My Thoughts: Surprised that this whole podcast was about fighting. Only a couple mentions of meat and I don’t think hunting is brought up once. Incredible!

Podcast Video: Below is a video of The Joe Rogan Experience podcast episode #649 available for streaming via YouTube.

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