Episode Number: 1068
Episode Guest: Michael Shermer
Original Airdate: January 24, 2018
Episode Sponsors: ZipRecruiter, Square Cash, The Black Tux
Guest Bio: Michael Shermer is a science writer, historian of science, founder of The Skeptics Society, and editor in chief of its magazine Skeptic, which is largely devoted to investigating pseudoscientific and supernatural claims. His new book Heavens on Earth: The Scientific Search for the Afterlife, Immortality, and Utopia is available now.
Topics Discussed: His new book Heavens on Earth; Global Future 2045 Confrence; Ray Kurzweil; his religious background; cool young preachers; Jim Jones; Waco TV special; David Koresh; cult leaders having sex with young followers; Under the Banner of Heaven book; Mormonism; Joseph Smith; Scientology talk; Leah Remini; Ron Miscavige; Scientology and the IRS; The Clinton Foundation; charities and tax exempt status; Mormonism seems goofy, but Mormons are nice people; near-death experiences; researching fighter pilots blacking out at high speeds; he’s tempted to try ayahuasca; Proof of Heaven book; On the Move book; Waking Up book; psychedelic drug trips are similar to near-death experiences; The Doors of Perception book; Joe talks about his DMT trips; the pineal gland and rats; DMT: The Spirit Molecule book; Joe tells the story again about Moses and the burning bush; maybe Jesus didn’t die on the cross, but he was in a deep coma; maybe the stories in the bible never even happened and they’re just fictional tales; The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross book; The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth book; Joe talks about the possibly of the bible being code for taking mushrooms; more talk about the Dead Sea Scrolls; mushroom imagery in ancient religious artwork; amanita muscaria mushroom; Bart Ehrman; Joe would love to go back in time to see Christ; The Square and the Tower book; The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly movie; Vikings TV show; interpreting historical events; the big bang theory; Deepak Chopra; Why Buddhism is True book; why don’t we accept that there’s nothing after we die; we should be paying attention to life; Sean Carroll; thinking scientifically vs. like a Buddhist; there’s beauty in temporary things; the future and recording thoughts; (1:00:00) The Twilight Zone episode where a guy can read everyone’s minds; most people have homicidal thoughts; suicidal thoughts; fantasies about robbing a bank; people are rarely bored today; who are you in heaven after death; memories and the brain; issues with copying your mind to a clone; Transcendence movie; Joe talks about dating a twin; clone monkeys created in a lab; Accidental Brothers book; Someone Else’s Twin book; twins separated at birth and raised in different environments; more talk about twins and clones; man in wheelchair who can control and feel artificial limb; Joe talks about how Siri freaks him out; implanting a chip in our brains in the future; more Ray Kurzweil talk; Transcendent Man documentary; don’t focus so much on your next life that you miss this life; Joe thinks human beings are only temporary; aliens won’t be biological, they’ll be robots or machines; quantum computing; computers could one day be the size of blood cells; everyone is scared of death but not scared of sleeping; people will want to live forever and not die; Joe talks about his grandmother’s death; euthanasia; terror management theory; the best way to die is to go to sleep and not wake up; something possibly could happen after death; talk about downloading consciousness into a computer; cryogenics; Walt Disney isn’t cryogenically frozen; Ted Williams’ head is cryogenically frozen; more cryogenics talk; what are memories like after death; someone asked Joe how he could live life when he doesn’t believe in an afterlife; what do you say to someone who’s dying; The Invention of Lying movie; we enjoy life because it’s temporary; more talk about living forever; aging; Aubrey de Grey; live a healthy life; avoid refined sugar and carbohydrates; there’s sugar in bread; European bread and heirloom wheat; how the sugar industry shifted the blame to fat; Joe talks about his diet and exercise routine; California mudslides; Oprah running for president; talk about The Secret book; people are terrified of the unknown; risk taking and knowing when to bail; Shark Tank TV show; the NSA knows who you are by the sound of your voice; Julian Assange and Edward Snowden; Bill Binney; (2:00:00) The Doomsday Machine book; Dr. Strangelove movie; Neil deGrasse Tyson interviewed Edward Snowden; J. Edgar Hoover; humans do terrible things to other humans when they have power over them; the government only grows bigger; utopia will never exist; actively killing someone vs. passively killing someone; people who control drones used in war; collateral damage; genocide; drones and collateral damage; The Vietnam War documentary; The Internationalists book; Michael thinks Kim Jong-un just wants respect; Noam Chomsky; calling people Nazis when they don’t agree with you; Trump to allow oil drilling of US coasts; 24 things nobody does better than Trump video; we need a group of intelligent people to run the country rather than one president; utopian societies are messy; fake news and the integrity of news sources; Politifact; government corruption; Gulf of Tonkin incident; Elon Musk wants to colonize Mars; don’t strive for happiness, strive for a meaningful life to feel better; engaging with the world is what’s important.
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